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| it's not all about money! | Jun 23, 2012 |
'Regarding the NRPSI, i find it very strange that they refuse working for the same money when oportunity arrises....sadly'
The point is that every time an RPSI accepts a job but that the appointed outsourcer was unable to fulfil, then all that is happening is that this ridiculous system is being propped up and that's what we refuse to do. This same is true for agencies who may be making money in the short term and I should imagine that the margins are very slim here, they too are ... See more 'Regarding the NRPSI, i find it very strange that they refuse working for the same money when oportunity arrises....sadly'
The point is that every time an RPSI accepts a job but that the appointed outsourcer was unable to fulfil, then all that is happening is that this ridiculous system is being propped up and that's what we refuse to do. This same is true for agencies who may be making money in the short term and I should imagine that the margins are very slim here, they too are doing nothing other than helping out their competitor.
So, it is not that strange that we refuse to work for the same money when the opportunity arises. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Parrot 
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Local time: 06:57
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| Breaking news | Jul 19, 2012 |
| | | | | The latest... | Aug 9, 2012 |
on this fiasco: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19186942 Could you imagine the furore if people in other "public services" (schools, hospitals, etc.) did not have the relevant CRB checks? So vulnerable people don't need interpreters?
May I raise two further points on this issue here to colleagues?
1 - I hope I do not sound patronising in saying so and I hope many interpreters (inclu... See more on this fiasco: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19186942 Could you imagine the furore if people in other "public services" (schools, hospitals, etc.) did not have the relevant CRB checks? So vulnerable people don't need interpreters?
May I raise two further points on this issue here to colleagues?
1 - I hope I do not sound patronising in saying so and I hope many interpreters (including for sign language) and other concerned parties have made submissions to the Justice Select Committee's inquiry (mentioned below) already: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/justice-committee/news/interpretation-and-translation-services/
However, it is really important that as many submissions as possible are made to this call for evidence. This can be done by individuals or a group of individuals (or agencies) and does not need to address all six points, if only one if relevant to you. Furthermore, you do not need to be directly affected; see this document about select committee inquiries and what happens to the responses afterwards:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-information-office/Select-Committee-Inquiries.pdf
A lot has been said here and elsewhere and the inquiry itself is clearly the result of successful lobbying by concerned individuals to their MPs and the Justice Select Committee itself and this should be reflected in the submissions. Of course, some will submit how wonderful the process has been. However, since the issue is of serious concern across the board and to various professions, and the evidence presented could help to inform future policy and action on interpreting, as well as lobbying on the issue, it is important that as broad a range of views are submitted. This is a really useful opportunity.
2 - I assure you I'm not politicking, but out of curiosity, have any interpreters(' organisations) considered forming a bloc at the TUC action on 20 October to highlight this issue? ▲ Collapse
| | | | Parrot
Spanyolország
Local time: 06:57
spanyol - angol
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As far as I'm aware, there is the Professional Interpreters' Alliance, and, on the EU level, some associations acting under the EU aegis (TRAFUT).
However, the matter (from the EU perspective) calls for much broader involvement, with the input of judges, laywers, parties, administrators, universities and everyone affected -- including users (hospitals, police, etc.) Sitting down to a dialogue on what is really happening would be useful. The MET police, for one, have admitted that hi... See more As far as I'm aware, there is the Professional Interpreters' Alliance, and, on the EU level, some associations acting under the EU aegis (TRAFUT).
However, the matter (from the EU perspective) calls for much broader involvement, with the input of judges, laywers, parties, administrators, universities and everyone affected -- including users (hospitals, police, etc.) Sitting down to a dialogue on what is really happening would be useful. The MET police, for one, have admitted that high costs partly stem from their own adminstrative shortcomings, and have tried to correct them (as reported). ▲ Collapse
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| National Audit Office's report on the Ministry of Justice’s language services contract | Sep 12, 2012 |
A non-translator colleague kindly forwarded this report, published Monday, to me:
http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1213/moj_language_services.aspx
It is a rather comprehensive report and is quite interesting, particularly the findings and recommendations. If you have the time to read it, I'd be interested to know the thoughts of interpreter colleagues on th... See more A non-translator colleague kindly forwarded this report, published Monday, to me:
http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/1213/moj_language_services.aspx
It is a rather comprehensive report and is quite interesting, particularly the findings and recommendations. If you have the time to read it, I'd be interested to know the thoughts of interpreter colleagues on the results and how they tally with your own experiences over this year.
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| | | | Tom in London
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
Tag (2008 óta)
olasz - angol
Re the links given by Aisha Maniar:
The House of Commons Public Accounts Committee, chaired by Margaret Hodge, sat on Monday 15 October, and the NAO Report mentioned above was extensively referred to; the Author of the Report was present at the hearing.
If you are in the UK you can watch the whole thing online here:
... See more Re the links given by Aisha Maniar:
The House of Commons Public Accounts Committee, chaired by Margaret Hodge, sat on Monday 15 October, and the NAO Report mentioned above was extensively referred to; the Author of the Report was present at the hearing.
If you are in the UK you can watch the whole thing online here:
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingId=11492
The members of the Committee (consisting of MPs from both ends of the political spectrum) were extremely angry with the whole process and how it was being inadequately overseen.
I have never seen the Government's own top officials being given such a grilling. They seemed completely incompetent - and were told so !
Well worth a watch, and of great interest to all interpreters/translators.
PS the Committee is meeting again today (Monday 22 Oct) at 5 PM and you can watch it live on the same website.
[Edited at 2012-10-22 11:37 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Change of date | Oct 22, 2012 |
Tom,
I believe the meeting has now been changed to October 29.
Wasn't it just amazing, I'm now officially in love with Margaret Hodge.
This can also be followed as mentioned before on Twitter, and NRPSI linguist lounge.
| | | | Tom in London
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
Tag (2008 óta)
olasz - angol
| We *heart* Margaret Hodge | Oct 22, 2012 |
Susanna Garcia wrote:
Tom,
I believe the meeting has now been changed to October 29.
Wasn't it just amazing, I'm now officially in love with Margaret Hodge.
This can also be followed as mentioned before on Twitter, and NRPSI linguist lounge.
I would NOT like to be on the wrong side of Margaret Hodge. However as an inveterate Parliamentary Select Committee watcher (OK, I'm sad, I know....) sometimes, especially in hot weather, Mrs. Hodge's attire can tend towards the inappropriate.
The Committee now has a solid body of evidence on which to reflect- with more to come and thanks for the correction of the date for its next sitting.
I hope they further investigate the initial OJEU tendering process and how on earth it was that the Ministry of Justice boiled down the 300+ Expressions of Interest to just ONE and then apparently moved the goalposts and negotiated different terms with the famous, now nationally-known "XXXXX".
I would also be interested to know why it is not the MoJ's business when "XXXXX" is almost immediately (so to speak) swallowed up by the vast company that "Private Eye" always refers to as "YYYYYY" (see Charlie's post above) - surely if I sign a contract with you, and you then fall under the control of a large behemoth, I would have something to say about that?
[Edited at 2012-10-22 09:31 GMT]
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Samuel Murray
Hollandia
Local time: 06:57
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angol - afrikaans
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| The reduction in rates | Oct 22, 2012 |
I find this interesting:
Our modelling shows that, under the terms initially set out, average income for an interpreter would drop by some 20 per cent. ... Changes to pay and benefits introduced after the contract came into operation have subsequently reduced the average drop in income to 8 per cent...
(page 15 of the PDF, compared to page 34 and 36 of the PDF)
I would love to see that model, because I don't see how income could have dropped by ony 20% if the per-hour rate offered by Company X is 26% less than in the old system (Company X = GBP 22 per hour, old system = GBP 30 per hour). And I really don't see how the current difference can be only 8%, seeing that the only changes made by Company X in payment was to increase the per-kilometre payment from 20p to 40p, and to add GBP 5.00 to any booking as a whole. What am I missing?
[Edited at 2012-10-22 10:50 GMT]
| | | | Ty Kendall
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
héber - angol
| Joining the ♥ Margaret Hodge club ♥ | Oct 22, 2012 |
Just watched the whole 2hrs 22 mins of it. Great viewing! Well worth my morning vanishing for!
As for Ann Beasley and the two clowns sat either side of her - it makes you wonder how they rise to such positions of power and authority when they are not only utterly incompetent but also thick as two short planks.
| | | | Samuel Murray
Hollandia
Local time: 06:57
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| Interesting to see what causes problems | Oct 22, 2012 |
This report is an interesting read because it shows what can go wrong. A difference in terminology is one of the issues mentioned in it:
2.20 Some staff in the Ministry said that they had initially misunderstood what ‘registered’ meant, when the term was used by Company X. Early in the preparation phase, Company X told the Ministry that it had around 2,600 interpreters registered to work with it on justice jobs. Under the old system, a registered interpreter was someone who had been checked and entered onto the NRPSI register. But in Company X’s terminology, a registered interpreter was someone who had expressed an interest in working with the company but was still to submit documentary evidence and be assessed.
| | | | Tom in London
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
Tag (2008 óta)
olasz - angol
Ty Kendall wrote: Just watched the whole 2hrs 22 mins of it. Great viewing! Well worth my morning vanishing for! As for Ann Beasley and the two clowns sat either side of her - it makes you wonder how they rise to such positions of power and authority when they are not only utterly incompetent but also thick as two short planks.
yes- and I'd I've looked up how much they earn. I'm amazed they haven't been sacked.
Ann Beasley currently earns between a minimum of £130,000 and a maximum of £134,999.
Peter Handcock gets more: between a minimum of £145,000 and a maximum of £149,999.
Source: http://tinyurl.com/9g8948v
(Edited to add salary information)
[Edited at 2012-10-22 11:47 GMT]
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Ty Kendall
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
héber - angol
| Salaries and Next Meeting | Oct 22, 2012 |
Those salaries for those people are just offensive.
Although I'm sure Tom's already aware, for anyone else out there who's interested, current information confirms the next meeting should be on Monday 29th October at 3:15....
3.15pm Public Accounts
Subject: Ministry of Justice Language Services
Witness(es): Andy Parker, Joint Chief Operating Officer, Ca... See more Those salaries for those people are just offensive.
Although I'm sure Tom's already aware, for anyone else out there who's interested, current information confirms the next meeting should be on Monday 29th October at 3:15....
3.15pm Public Accounts
Subject: Ministry of Justice Language Services
Witness(es): Andy Parker, Joint Chief Operating Officer, Capita plc
http://services.parliament.uk/calendar/#!/calendar/Commons/SelectCommittee/2012/10/29/events.html
I'm definitely going to be watching!
Edited to add:
I hope my secret crush 'Maggie' will be there ♥ ♥ ♥
[Edited at 2012-10-22 12:00 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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I just wish I had the time to watch the whole thing!
| | | | Louise Gough
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 05:57
német - angol
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