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Off topic: Resuscitation of 20 years old threads is disturbing
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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@Dan Feb 19

Dan Lucas wrote:
Lincoln's implied argument is sound: shouldn't old threads be locked? If the answer from ProZ.com is "no", then he's not breaking any rules by resurrecting old threads.


The fact that old threads are not locked does not mean that any type of reply to old posts are acceptable. The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.

Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants. His intention is crystal clear, and he thinks that he's going to get away with it because he's "not breaking any rules". Well, he's breaking the biggest rule.


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Angie Garbarino
 

Dan Lucas  Identity Verified
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We're being played, and responding in precisely the wrong way Feb 19

Samuel Murray wrote:
The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.

Samuel, let's be clear: I'm as annoyed by this as anybody else. I'm also disappointed as the person in question has - to my mind - generally been one of those who sees the world a little more clearly than most. This is not mature behaviour on his part.

Nevertheless, my guess that the fact that he is not breaking any rules, strictly speaking, is precisely the argument he wishes to make. A rule that is implicit rather than explicit, one that depends on the kindness of strangers (or as you put it, a shared understanding of what is "acceptable") rather than the force of law, is worthless: that's his point. He presumably became irritated that there was no explicit rule barring the reopening of old threads, and is now on a crusade that has taken on a life of its own.

In the absence of a move by ProZ.com itself, the only thing we can do, collectively, is not engage. In reality many people who should know better - yourself included - continue to engage, to comment on threads that he has reopened, and to generally add fuel to the fire. (Even my response here adds a little energy to this whole fracas.)

If we ignore him, the problem will not go away, but it can be minimised.
All we need to do is turn our backs.
We're failing to do that.

Regards,
Dan

PS I joined my first online forum 30 years ago, on 13 February 1990, before the web even existed, and I have seen this dynamic play out many times since then...




[Edited at 2021-02-19 08:45 GMT]


Angie Garbarino
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Lincoln Hui  Identity Verified
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Do tell Feb 19

Samuel Murray wrote:

Dan Lucas wrote:
Lincoln's implied argument is sound: shouldn't old threads be locked? If the answer from ProZ.com is "no", then he's not breaking any rules by resurrecting old threads.


The fact that old threads are not locked does not mean that any type of reply to old posts are acceptable. The fact that there is flexibility in the rules of a system does not mean that it is acceptable to try to destroy that system as long as you don't, strictly speaking, break any rules.

Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants. His intention is crystal clear, and he thinks that he's going to get away with it because he's "not breaking any rules". Well, he's breaking the biggest rule.

I absolutely agree that yellows replying to old posts is not acceptable. I also absolutely agree that yellows complaining about replies to old posts is also not acceptable.

As I have said over and over again - I am simply falling in line with what the community has told me, saying exactly what my white masters have told me. They are going to have to sort it out among themselves what should be and what should not.

[Edited at 2021-02-19 10:08 GMT]


 

Daryo
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What is disturbing? Feb 20

Angie Garbarino wrote:

I found it anachronistic, useless and confusing, people often do not realize the start date, so discussion become odd, obsolete and useless, in 20 years the world has changed, many different things happened.
I wonder if there is a way to stop this, perhaps by locking the more obsolete ones?
Thanks a lot

[Edited at 2021-02-16 14:27 GMT]


These threads are not "dead" (why call them "necro..."?) so they can't be "resuscitated"

They are just "in hibernation" - what's wrong with waking them up?

What I find "disturbing" is that anyone would want to harm hibernating threads.


 

Angie Garbarino  Identity Verified
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I have explained in my post you are quoting now. Feb 21

Daryo wrote:

Angie Garbarino wrote:

I found it anachronistic, useless and confusing, people often do not realize the start date, so discussion become odd, obsolete and useless, in 20 years the world has changed, many different things happened.
I wonder if there is a way to stop this, perhaps by locking the more obsolete ones?
Thanks a lot

[Edited at 2021-02-16 14:27 GMT]


These threads are not "dead" (why call them "necro..."?) so they can't be "resuscitated"

They are just "in hibernation" - what's wrong with waking them up?

What I find "disturbing" is that anyone would want to harm hibernating threads.



And i never called them necro, so please before attacking read correctly.


 

Lincoln Hui  Identity Verified
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Those tests in full Feb 26

Jean Dimitriadis wrote:

Necroposting is annoying, but making attempts at assessing the psychological profile or needs of a colleague in a public forum is beyond the pale for me. Is it or is it not a personal attack? What does the netiquette has to say about that?

Stick to your specialties!

Apparently they are doing anal tests in Europe for a faster and more accurate detection of COVID-19, and they probably started in the Iberian peninsula. All this irritability, intolerance, and unwarranted rudeness must be side effects of Europe's new testing scheme

[Edited at 2021-02-26 09:24 GMT]


 

Tom in London
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He's not the only one Feb 26

Samuel Murray wrote:

....Lincoln is on a crusade to break the forums and chase away keen participants...


He's not the only one, nor even the worst one. There are others - a tiny number of individuals - who are engaged in a deliberate, unrelenting intention to kill these forums by reducing and trivialising every thread down to the level of adolescent chat.

If you're wondering who I'm referring to, just watch this thread.



[Edited at 2021-02-26 10:11 GMT]


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I'm watching Feb 26

Thanks for the heads-up, Tom. I'll certainly keep my beady eye out for those deliberate, unrelenting forum-killing scoundrels.

Matthias Brombach
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Matthias Brombach  Identity Verified
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Absolutely, I will have ... Feb 26

Mervyn Henderson wrote:

Thanks for the heads-up, Tom.

... an eye on them too, and report them immediately!


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Done at 9.30 Feb 26

Matthias Brombach wrote:
report them immediately!


by stressing the following:



Lincoln Hui wrote:Apparently they are doing anal tests in Europe for a faster and more accurate detection of COVID-19, and they probably started in the Iberian peninsula.



[Edited at 2021-02-26 11:52 GMT]


Tom in London
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expressisverbis
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For your reference, here the tests performed in Portugal: Feb 26

Lincoln Hui wrote:
Apparently they are doing anal tests in Europe for a faster and more accurate detection of COVID-19, and they probably started in the Iberian peninsula. All this irritability, intolerance, and unwarranted rudeness must be side effects of Europe's new testing scheme

[Edited at 2021-02-26 09:24 GMT]


Quais os testes disponíveis atualmente em Portugal?
Os testes disponíveis, atualmente, em Portugal são:

Testes Moleculares de Amplificação de Ácidos Nucleicos (TAAN): são o método de referência para o diagnóstico e rastreio e confirmam a presença do vírus SARS-CoV-2 responsável pela doença COVID-19. São testes feitos com amostras recolhidas, através de zaragatoa, da região do nariz e/ou da garganta. Os seus resultados devem ser conhecidos no prazo máximo de 24 horas após a prescrição
Testes Rápidos de Antigénio (TRAg): são testes de proximidade devem ser utilizados quando os testes de TAAN não estão disponíveis. Os resultados dos testes rápidos são conhecidos após 15 a 30 minutos da realização
Testes serológicos: são os que avaliam se a pessoa tem anticorpos específicos para a COVID-19. Estes não são utilizados para o diagnóstico da COVID-19
Qual é o teste habitualmente usado para o diagnóstico da COVID-19?
O teste de referência para o diagnóstico da COVID-19 é o Teste Molecular de Amplificação de Ácidos Nucleicos (TAAN).

Em situação de surto devem ser, preferencialmente, realizados os testes rápidos para reduzir o tempo de obtenção de resultados e implementar as medidas necessárias.

Em que situações é utilizado o teste rápido?
Os Testes Rápidos de Antigénio (TRAg) podem ser utilizados:

nos primeiros 5 dias de sintomas (inclusive) em doentes sem critérios de internamento
em doentes com sintomas e com critérios de internamento, por indisponibilidade dos testes moleculares e/ou que não apresentarem resposta em tempo útil
doentes sem sintomas e que tiveram um contacto de alto risco (contacto próximo com um doente com COVID-19), por indisponibilidade dos testes moleculares e/ou que não apresentarem resposta em tempo útil

*** https://www.sns24.gov.pt/guia/teste-covid-19/


Testes Moleculares de Amplificação de Ácidos Nucleicos (TAAN): Nucleic acid amplification test (TAAN)

Testes Rápidos de Antigénio (TRAg): Rapid antigen detection test (RADT)

*** SNS: National Healthcare System in Portugal

Serological tests ("Testes serológicos") are not used for the diagnosis of COVID-19.


[Edited at 2021-02-26 11:44 GMT]


Angie Garbarino
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Tom in London
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Online without the WWW Feb 26

Dan Lucas wrote:

I joined my first online forum 30 years ago, on 13 February 1990, before the web even existed


Then maybe, like me, you were on good old IRC (Internet Relay Chat) - which still exists. Hey, Mervyn and Chris - why don't you go over there?

https://www.mirc.co.uk/

Tom



[Edited at 2021-02-26 11:38 GMT]


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per se vs not per se Feb 26

Per se, the revival of an old thread here and there is not a bad thing. It happens most often when a novice joins a site, browses through its contents, finds something interesting and responds ..... not realizing that it was written ten years ago. Or there is something truly interesting, you have new ideas about it. If a thing is done for the purpose of creating mischief, confusion, undermining - well intent makes the difference.
We have to choose a title in our thread replies. If some
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Per se, the revival of an old thread here and there is not a bad thing. It happens most often when a novice joins a site, browses through its contents, finds something interesting and responds ..... not realizing that it was written ten years ago. Or there is something truly interesting, you have new ideas about it. If a thing is done for the purpose of creating mischief, confusion, undermining - well intent makes the difference.
We have to choose a title in our thread replies. If someone knows they are responding to an old thread, then good intent would probably reflect that in the title. There was one such thread a few weeks ago that I think was asking if a given country, which is now one of the hard hit ones Covid-wise, was a good place to visit. That should have had an 'old thread' header in it of some kind. (for example)
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Matthias Brombach  Identity Verified
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Issue... Feb 26

... solved. Thank you, Angie! 😀

[Bearbeitet am 2021-02-26 12:22 GMT]


Angie Garbarino
 

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Corrected Feb 26

Corrected sorry Matthias

[Edited at 2021-02-26 12:42 GMT]


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