Glossary entry (derived from question below)
español term or phrase:
fuente histórica de tipo material
inglés translation:
physical remains
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alidalc
Jun 11, 2009 20:20
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español term
fuente histórica de tipo material
español al inglés
Ciencias sociales
Historia
Hello,
I am translating a children's textbook and the page shows four photos and then asks the children to identify which "tipo de fuente histórica" they are.
I have determined this is also known as a historical source in English, but am still a bit cautious about the two types of source listed ("fuente histórica de gráfica" and "fuente histórica de tipo material")
The first is, I think, a pictorial source. The second, however, I am not sure about.
The items for this type of source are a clay pot, some ruins where dwellings once were and some tools, if that helps. I did find a few references to "artefactual source", but it just doesn't seem to be as common as I would expect.
Does anyone know the right term?
Thank you.
I am translating a children's textbook and the page shows four photos and then asks the children to identify which "tipo de fuente histórica" they are.
I have determined this is also known as a historical source in English, but am still a bit cautious about the two types of source listed ("fuente histórica de gráfica" and "fuente histórica de tipo material")
The first is, I think, a pictorial source. The second, however, I am not sure about.
The items for this type of source are a clay pot, some ruins where dwellings once were and some tools, if that helps. I did find a few references to "artefactual source", but it just doesn't seem to be as common as I would expect.
Does anyone know the right term?
Thank you.
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physical remains
I think Deborah is bang on about "artefacts" not covering buildings and ruins. It's also not a word children will necessarily know, though that depends on age and level.
If you look at this reference, it covers the diifferent types of historical source and clearly uses physical remains for the type you describe:
Social Research: A Deductive Approach - Google Books Resultby Milagros Z Reyes - 2004
They are in the form of physical remains such as buildings, facilities, ... The third form of historical source are so called "memorials" which were made in ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=9712337731...
It was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw your question.
The reference might help with some of the other terms, too. I think Kathryn is absolutely right about not sticking slavishly to the parallel construction of the original if it warps the terminology.
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For some reason I can't get a live link. try this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QboR5qfbt48C&pg=PA29&lpg=...
If you look at this reference, it covers the diifferent types of historical source and clearly uses physical remains for the type you describe:
Social Research: A Deductive Approach - Google Books Resultby Milagros Z Reyes - 2004
They are in the form of physical remains such as buildings, facilities, ... The third form of historical source are so called "memorials" which were made in ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=9712337731...
It was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw your question.
The reference might help with some of the other terms, too. I think Kathryn is absolutely right about not sticking slavishly to the parallel construction of the original if it warps the terminology.
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For some reason I can't get a live link. try this:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QboR5qfbt48C&pg=PA29&lpg=...
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Comment: "Thank you for that information, it was just what I was looking for. Still wondering about the difference between artwork/pictorial sources and physical remains...seems to me that artwork is also physical. "
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historical source that is material in nature
possibly this would work
Mike :)
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Philosopher's Stone a Study of the Quest for Perfection and ...
... to claim full authority in terms of historical source material. ..... construed as more material in nature – and the three substances as more abstract, ...
www.scribd.com/doc/8102369/Philosophers-Stone-a-Study-of-th... - Similar -
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Stevens Hitlers Flying Saucers
We then attempt to verify it using an independent historical source. ...... By all accounts these saucer were solid and material in nature. ...
www.scribd.com/doc/11858240/Stevens-Hitlers-Flying-Saucers - Similar -
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Mike :)
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Philosopher's Stone a Study of the Quest for Perfection and ...
... to claim full authority in terms of historical source material. ..... construed as more material in nature – and the three substances as more abstract, ...
www.scribd.com/doc/8102369/Philosophers-Stone-a-Study-of-th... - Similar -
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Stevens Hitlers Flying Saucers
We then attempt to verify it using an independent historical source. ...... By all accounts these saucer were solid and material in nature. ...
www.scribd.com/doc/11858240/Stevens-Hitlers-Flying-Saucers - Similar -
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historical artefacts
there is backing for this simpler term. If as you say it is simply to help children distinguish between artwork & artefacts. I wonder if the 'source' is necessary in context.
Southam's new home for historical artefacts opens to public ... - [ Traduire cette page ]17 Apr 2009 ... Southam's new home for historical artefacts opens to public - Southam's collection of 2500 historical objects finally have a new home, ...
www.leamingtoncourier.co.uk/southam/Southams-new-home-for-h... - En cache - Pages similaires
Monmouthshire County Council - Historical artefacts - [ Traduire cette page ]Monmouthshire County Councils Schools Library Service and Historical artefacts information.
www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?do... - En cache - Pages similaires
Spiral Genuine Antiquities and Historical Artefacts Genuine ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Ancient and historical original genuine antiquities for sale.
www.spiral.org.uk/acatalog/Spiral_Virtual_Shop_Genuine_Anti... - En cache - Pages similaires
Local Heritage Initiative - Historical Artefacts Restoration ... - [
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of course the title would include 'source'
Southam's new home for historical artefacts opens to public ... - [ Traduire cette page ]17 Apr 2009 ... Southam's new home for historical artefacts opens to public - Southam's collection of 2500 historical objects finally have a new home, ...
www.leamingtoncourier.co.uk/southam/Southams-new-home-for-h... - En cache - Pages similaires
Monmouthshire County Council - Historical artefacts - [ Traduire cette page ]Monmouthshire County Councils Schools Library Service and Historical artefacts information.
www.monmouthshire.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents_info.php?do... - En cache - Pages similaires
Spiral Genuine Antiquities and Historical Artefacts Genuine ... - [ Traduire cette page ]Ancient and historical original genuine antiquities for sale.
www.spiral.org.uk/acatalog/Spiral_Virtual_Shop_Genuine_Anti... - En cache - Pages similaires
Local Heritage Initiative - Historical Artefacts Restoration ... - [
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of course the title would include 'source'
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Jessica Noyes
: Yes, also spelled "artifacts".
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and also spelt 'spelt' (!!) thank you Jessica maybe a UK/ US thing
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material artefacts
versus written historical source. I think "gráfica" is being used in the broad original Greek sense.
I don't know what the other two types are (oral sources? /???), but I would not stick slavishly to the parallel construction of the original (fuente histórico de tipo XXXX) if it forces you into unidiomatic expressions, especially in a textbook. It may be more advisable to have a set that looks something like:
What type of historical source is it?
material artefact
written historical source
oral historical source
yadda yadda
I don't know what the other two types are (oral sources? /???), but I would not stick slavishly to the parallel construction of the original (fuente histórico de tipo XXXX) if it forces you into unidiomatic expressions, especially in a textbook. It may be more advisable to have a set that looks something like:
What type of historical source is it?
material artefact
written historical source
oral historical source
yadda yadda
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historical objects / objects and architecture
I think you need a more general term than "artifacts" because your items include ruins of dwellings, which are "architectural" in nature.
Example of use:
The present law on historical and ancient places, *** historical objects*** and artifacts (1961, amended in 1982) does not cover the replication and reproduction of Buddhist art.
There are only a few registered historical objects and artifacts which are prohibited for reproduction. For example, the Phra Avalokitesalaya and Phra Sean Khan found in Ayutthaya, or Ratchburana gold objects.
According to the Fine Arts Department, any reproduction of historical objects and artifacts must be to a smaller scale than the genuine article.
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=70,4604,0,0,1,0
Example of use:
The present law on historical and ancient places, *** historical objects*** and artifacts (1961, amended in 1982) does not cover the replication and reproduction of Buddhist art.
There are only a few registered historical objects and artifacts which are prohibited for reproduction. For example, the Phra Avalokitesalaya and Phra Sean Khan found in Ayutthaya, or Ratchburana gold objects.
According to the Fine Arts Department, any reproduction of historical objects and artifacts must be to a smaller scale than the genuine article.
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=70,4604,0,0,1,0
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