May 9 03:56
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Spanish term

relación patrimonial

Spanish to English Bus/Financial Finance (general) Servicios que ofrece un Grupo Financiero
● Realizar exportaciones directas y finales, sin relación patrimonial con el Comprador extranjero.
(Un requisito para poder solicitar un servicio de factoraje)

Discussion

AllegroTrans May 10:
Patrimonial relationship is NOT a term used in English law or admin/finance to describe relationships between corporate entities
Paul Ryan May 9:
arms's length You could use the idea of arm's length
Sakshi Garg May 9:
The context indicates that the exports are direct and final, implying that the transactions are straightforward and completed without ongoing obligations or ties. The absence of a //"patrimonial relationship"// ensures that the transactions are purely commercial and transactional, without any underlying personal or familial connections that could complicate or influence the business dealings.

It is is not only about specifying the type of relationship but also about ensuring clarity in the nature of the transaction, its risk profile, and compliance requirements.
Sakshi Garg May 9:
Associated Companies : There is significant influence but not full control, typically through ownership of 20% to 50% of the voting stock.

Patrimonial relationship : Connections or ties that involve ownership, inheritance, or assets that are typically personal or familial. This term is often used in contexts where property or wealth is passed down through generations or managed within a family.

Using one term in place of the other could lead to misunderstandings, especially in formal, legal, or financial contexts where the precise nature of relationships needs to be clearly defined and understood.
Sakshi Garg May 9:
@philgoddard I wouldn't prefer //"(that are not) associated companies"//. This is because it strictly refers to a business relationship defined by corporate control or significant influence, often regulated by corporate law and used in financial reporting and tax considerations.
https://www.pkf-l.com/insights/what-does-it-mean-to-be-an-as...

On the other hand,

Patrimonial relationship often implies a personal, familial, or traditional ownership and control, which can include but is not limited to business contexts.

Proposed translations

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(that are not) associated companies

I'd say 'to foreign buyers that are not associated companies.'
Peer comment(s):

neutral Sakshi Garg : https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/content/104169
35 mins
agree Andrew Bramhall : Neat, completely unambiguous, and to the point.
2 hrs
agree Luis M. Sosa
10 hrs
neutral AllegroTrans : I see "associated" as a woolly term. I think the ST is saying that there is no financial connection
10 hrs
It's not woolly, it has a very clear definition, unlike 'no financial connection'. http://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/content/104169
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patrimonial relationship

//"relación patrimonial"// as //"list of patrimonial assets"// in a broader context, but for your specific requirement, focusing on the relationship aspect is more relevant

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/accounting/369...
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : English uses this word only in a few contexts, and this is not one of them. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patrimony#legalDic...
55 mins
disagree Andrew Bramhall : Agree with PG, you can't use this here, sorry. This is a classic case of where literal really doesn't work, and in English the literal use of the French and Spanish equivalent seldom works.
3 hrs
neutral Ana Vozone : As indicated by you in the Discussion, your proposed term would be used in generational, family contexts.
5 hrs
neutral AllegroTrans : As PhilG says - not the correct term here
5 hrs
neutral Luis M. Sosa : With Ana and Phil.
11 hrs
disagree Yvonne Gallagher : no, incorrectly used here
4 days
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asset relationship

Another suggestion.
Example sentence:

Traders (IPP) refers to power generation enterprises that are engaged in power production but have no asset relationship with power grid operator

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proprietary relationship ('link')

patrimonial - a Romance language asset- / equity favo(u)rite deriving from ES patrimonio / FR patrimoine meaning equity or heritage, as used idiomatically in the media.

La relación is far wider than a corporate link. The Comprador extranjero / foreign Buyer could be a private individual, sole trader EIG : economic interest grouping or partnership

Patrimonial often otherwise usually translates as proprietary.

Alas, proprietary 'link' connotes a Data Protocol.

In symmemtrical descending order of CL / confidence level: 4-3-2.
Example sentence:

IATE: es relación patrimonial entre cónyuges CJUE en property ownership of spouses

The phrase "a proprietary relationship" is correct and usable in written English. You can use it to describe a relationship between two businesses that involves exclusive rights to one company's products and services.

Peer comment(s):

agree AllegroTrans : Correct term which seems to cover the eventuality referred to. A pity some others cannot bring themselves to agree with this answer.
10 hrs
agree Yvonne Gallagher : as AT says, the correct term here
4 days
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With no stake in the foreign buyer

Exports are not predicated on having stakes in your foreign buyers.
Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : What about the other way round? Shouldn't this be included?
2 days 2 hrs
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equity link

Universal Registration Documentand Annual Financial ...
Banque de France
https://eucpmtn.banque-france.fr › api › document
PDF
Jan 1, 2022 — ... FACTORING. 100%. SOFIAP. 66%. BPE. 100%. 50%. 0.03 ... factoring, leasing and other financing services ... no equity link. In accordance with IFRS ...

REFERENCE DOCUMENT 2002 - Euler Hermes

YUMPU
https://www.yumpu.com › document › view › referenc...
Jan 16, 2013 — The factoring business recorded an operating ... attention to the factoring business of Euler ... there was no equity link ...

REGISTRATION DOCUMENT AND ANNUAL FINANCIAL ...

DocPlayer.net
https://docplayer.net › 52367327-Registration-document...
Factoring has been available since La Banque ... factoring business. In 2015, the range of financing was ... no equity link. In accordance with IFRS 10 ...

Full text of "Financial Times , 1979, UK, English"
Internet Archive
https://archive.org › stream
... no equity link between the two companies. Ford's aim is for a significant expansion of its car and truck sales in the Asia-Pacific region The stake in To
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Reference comments

1 day 13 hrs
Reference:

Wide-ranging term

Define: Proprietary Interest

The meaning of “Proprietary Interest” differs based on where it is used. We list many below, then combine them into one or more market-standard definitions.
How is Proprietary Interest defined in a legal contract?

Proprietary Interest means any form of legal, equitable, or other type of ownership in a business or entity, excluding equity interests of less than [number] percent in publicly held companies. Seen in 64 SEC filings
Proprietary Interest means either direct or indirect ownership of an equity share in any business other than a publicly-held business where one owns less than [number] percent of any stock class. Seen in 23 SEC filings
Proprietary Interest means legal or equitable ownership, via stock holdings or otherwise, of a debt or equity interest (including options, warrants, rights, and convertible interests) in a business or entity, excluding ownership of over [number] percent of any equity interest class in a publicly-held company. Seen in 13 SEC filings
Proprietary Interest means legal or equitable ownership, through stock ownership or otherwise, of an equity share in a business or entity, other than ownership of less than [number] percent of any class of equity interest in a publicly held business or entity. Seen in 12 SEC filings
Proprietary Interest means legal or equitable ownership, via stock ownership or otherwise, of an equity interest in a business, firm, or entity or ownership of more than one percent of an equity interest class in a publicly-held company. Seen in 10 SEC filings
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Yvonne Gallagher
2 days 20 hrs
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