Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

para tornar lo invisible la pintura.

English translation:

and give way to the painting's invisible side.

Added to glossary by Bubo Coroman (X)
Apr 15, 2009 09:46
15 yrs ago
Spanish term

para tornar lo invisible la pintura.

Spanish to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting Caravaggio
please see previous question...TIA!
Es probable que haya sido Caravaggio el primer pintor excedido, esto es, el primero en aprehender la realidad más cruda y no tener el más mínimo pudor en plasmarla. Caravaggio no buscaba la nobleza de los temas, ni desde la forma, ni desde la técnica. Nunca ha buscado lo agradable porque sí. Su realismo es el exceso, seguramente en paralelo a su propia vida, turbulenta y corta , siendo acusado de un crimen y otros delitos menores. De ahí que artistas como Poussin, entre otros, lo señalaran como capaz de destruir la pintura, aún conscientes de su indudable calidad técnica. Lo afirmaban pensando en cómo Caravaggio deconstruía los principios clásicos de la pintura, cómo destilaba su condición de lenguaje en discurso, en posibilidad. El espectador cobra importancia como segundo tiempo. El cuadro como soporte y la imagen como superficie se desvanecen *para tornar lo invisible la pintura*.
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Apr 16, 2009 07:34: Bubo Coroman (X) Created KOG entry

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and give way to the painting's invisible side.

i.e. what's left after the painting "disappears"
Peer comment(s):

agree Natalia Pedrosa (X)
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many thanks Natalia, enjoy your day! :-) Deborah
agree Noni Gilbert Riley : Aha, this sounds very good!
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thanks Noni, big hug :-) Deb
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to allow the invisible element of the paintwork to appear/become apparent SEE BELOW

How low can I get in my confidence level...

This is what I expected (roughly) to be said in Spanish after the previous sentences, but it isn't really what is actually said in the Spanish. In other words I am translating the meaning of "para que lo que está invisible en la pintura aparezca": *to allow the invisible element of the paintwork to appear/become apparent//to render the invisible element of the paintwork apparent*

Alternatively it could be interpreted as meaning "para que la pintura vuelva invisible", in which case: *to render the paintwork invisible* but that makes even less sense to me.

Perhaps we need to work on "invisible" also - I wonder if it is intended to mean the "unviewable"?
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To reveal through the paint what is not to be seen

My interpretation is that this refers to Caravaggio´s capacity to become the invisible into visible through the paint. But this ‘invisible’ things are also uncomfortable, obscene at the time.. things we were not supposed to paint back then, and so, ‘not to be seen’

Hope this will help, greetings.
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"...to render the painting invisible".

This is no more than a guess; even less certain than Noni's...but I'm basing it on the deconstructive and destructive nature of the artist's work:

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Peer comment(s):

agree trabulsi : totally a gut reaction, but it seems to me that if you make the canvas and the image disappear, then the painting would be invisible.
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Thanks & saludos :))
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