Jul 17, 2012 08:44
11 yrs ago
magyar term
tűzkő és szikra
magyar - angol
Művészet/irodalom
Történelem
heraldry
Egy kép leírása: Széles karimájú kalapján valószínűleg zománccal díszített, gyöngyökkel keretezett medallion, enseigne csillog, amelyen két egymással szembe fordított C betű királyi koronát fog közre, ez alatt pedig a burgundi hercegek jelvénye, a tűzkő és a szikra látható.
What is the classic English description of the badge of the dukes of Burgundy? I've searched and found several possibilities, no two of which are the same, and none seem to be from a totally reliable source (hát olyan persze nincs is...): flint and spark, firesteel, the plane or "rabot"
The text is to be published in a catalogue intended for art scholars, so they can be expected to cope with the genuine heraldic terms; no lay explanations are necessary.
What is the classic English description of the badge of the dukes of Burgundy? I've searched and found several possibilities, no two of which are the same, and none seem to be from a totally reliable source (hát olyan persze nincs is...): flint and spark, firesteel, the plane or "rabot"
The text is to be published in a catalogue intended for art scholars, so they can be expected to cope with the genuine heraldic terms; no lay explanations are necessary.
Proposed translations
(angol)
| 4 +2 | flint and spark |
Blanka Nagy
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Proposed translations
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48 perc
Blanka Nagy
Németország
Németország
Native in magyar
Works in field
Németország
English-Hungarian-Romanian translator
Native in: magyar 
Works in: angol - magyar, magyar - angol, román - angol, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
Selected
flint and spark
This portrait of Philip the Good by Rogier van der Weyden shows the Duke wearing the distinctive collar of the Toison d'or. The other image is a detail of a frontispiece of one of Philip's books showing the Duke's arms and again the collar of the Toison d'or. The order's insignia of the Golden Fleece is suspended from a collar decorated with the devices of the ducal house. Since the capture of John of Nevers (the future John the Fearless) by the Turks in 1396, the flint and fire-steel, striking sparks had been the personal livery collar of the Duke's household. The statutes of the Toison d'or specify that every member of the order of the Golden Fleece was required to wear this collar daily. This makes explicit the sovereignty of the Duke over the order and the allegiance of the members of the order to the Duke's household.
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/arth214_folder/bu...
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Note added at 49 mins (2012-07-17 09:33:17 GMT)
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The original badges of the Golden Fleece featured the Order’s symbol, a ram’s fleece - an allusion to the Burgundian wool trade as well as to the Golden Fleece of Greek mythology - hanging from a shower of sparks or flames emanating from a flint being struck by a fire steel (or briquette). By the nineteenth century the separate elements had become stylised and in Prince Albert’s badge the opals form the centre of the ‘briquette’ and the ‘flint’. The light, original setting of this badge has been adapted to take the opals in the slide, flint and sparks - particularly the middle stone in the flint. The incongruity of this later setting suggests that it may have been adapted from an earlier one. Just as the Prince’s Garter badge was an earlier piece reset for the Queen in 1840, it is possible that this was once the ‘Golden Fleece in brilliants’ sold to Rundell, Bridge & Co. in 1830. Opals were the Prince’s favourite stones (Journal, 4 July 1866). This and a second badge of the Order were the badges of foreign orders most often worn by the Prince. The opal badge can be seen in his portrait by Winterhalter of 1842 and in photographs by Fenton.
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?maker=...
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/arth214_folder/bu...
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Note added at 49 mins (2012-07-17 09:33:17 GMT)
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The original badges of the Golden Fleece featured the Order’s symbol, a ram’s fleece - an allusion to the Burgundian wool trade as well as to the Golden Fleece of Greek mythology - hanging from a shower of sparks or flames emanating from a flint being struck by a fire steel (or briquette). By the nineteenth century the separate elements had become stylised and in Prince Albert’s badge the opals form the centre of the ‘briquette’ and the ‘flint’. The light, original setting of this badge has been adapted to take the opals in the slide, flint and sparks - particularly the middle stone in the flint. The incongruity of this later setting suggests that it may have been adapted from an earlier one. Just as the Prince’s Garter badge was an earlier piece reset for the Queen in 1840, it is possible that this was once the ‘Golden Fleece in brilliants’ sold to Rundell, Bridge & Co. in 1830. Opals were the Prince’s favourite stones (Journal, 4 July 1866). This and a second badge of the Order were the badges of foreign orders most often worn by the Prince. The opal badge can be seen in his portrait by Winterhalter of 1842 and in photographs by Fenton.
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?maker=...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
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