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nueve mentiroso

English translation: false nine

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Spanish term or phrase:nueve mentiroso
English translation:false nine
Entered by: Simon Bruni

17:57 Dec 30, 2011
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / Football (soccer)
Spanish term or phrase: nueve mentiroso
Hello

This is from a question in an interview with Del Bosque, the Spain manager. I see that the term is widely used, but have struggled to find a definition of any sort.

"¿Puede utilizar un nueve mentiroso que ahora está muy de moda?"

and Del Bosque answers:

"Nosotros en el Madrid jugamos mucho con Guti y Raúl, sin tener referencias fijas arriba y fue una etapa en la que jugamos muy bien. Recuerdo un partido en que ganamos en Roma y fue un repaso, sin dejar referencias al contrario, jugando entre líneas… En España tenemos a Cesc, Silva, Iniesta, jugadores todos de ese corte que son muy buenos para hacer esa función."

Judging by the players he mentions, I suspect it's an attacking role in which a midfielder moves into forward positions. I've seen in other article that Messi is referred to as a "nueve mentiroso".

Thanks for your help
Simon
Simon Bruni
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:01
false nine
Explanation:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/oct/27/the-questio...

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Note added at 2 mins (2011-12-30 18:00:54 GMT)
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and another:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jun/07/tactical...
Jonathan Wilson is a tactical genius - hope it helps!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-12-30 20:23:02 GMT)
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More examples, not from Jonathan Wilson

http://www.zonalmarking.net/glossary/
http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/2010/09/21/false-nine-tactics/


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Thanks and good luck Simon
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Damian Hosford
Spain
Local time: 07:01
Grading comment
Thanks!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
5 +8false nine
Damian Hosford
4 +1false centre forward
Daniel Frisano
5fake nine
Darius Saczuk


  

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2 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
false centre forward


Explanation:
9 being the traditional jersey number for centre forwards

Daniel Frisano
Italy
Local time: 07:01
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adrian MM. (X)
2 days 4 hrs
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
fake nine


Explanation:
World Football Thread: V18 Messi is amazing, Game was atrocious ...
forums.gametrailers.com › Sports
20 posts - 8 authors - Last post: Apr 25
Re: World Football Thread: Ozil's eyes make him look like a bug ... plays as a "fake" nine but anyway) if he wasn't so good in front of goal[/url]. ...

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The 3-4-3 experiment - Page 2
goallegacy.forumotion.com/t9281p18-the-3-4-3-experiment
7 posts - Last post: Oct 4
Big games, I still prefer 4-3-3 and we play our best football that .... Messi was playing as AM and Pedro as fake nine, interchanging a lot.

Darius Saczuk
United States
Local time: 01:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 32
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0 min   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +8
false nine


Explanation:
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Note added at 1 min (2011-12-30 17:59:32 GMT)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/oct/27/the-questio...

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Note added at 2 mins (2011-12-30 18:00:54 GMT)
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and another:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jun/07/tactical...
Jonathan Wilson is a tactical genius - hope it helps!

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-12-30 20:23:02 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

More examples, not from Jonathan Wilson

http://www.zonalmarking.net/glossary/
http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/2010/09/21/false-nine-tactics/


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Note added at 4 days (2012-01-04 09:48:20 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks and good luck Simon

Damian Hosford
Spain
Local time: 07:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
Thanks!
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thanks Damian, I should have checked this as a possibility! Any ideas for "referencias fijas" in Del Bosque's answer? I shall post it in another question now...


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Emma Goldsmith
3 mins
  -> thanks Emma
agree  Charles Davis
11 mins
  -> thanks Charles
agree  Juan Pablo Sans
13 mins
  -> gracias juan pablo
agree  David Ronder
35 mins
  -> thanks David
agree  Alistair Ian Spearing Ortiz
1 hr
  -> thanks Alistair
neutral  Cecilia Gowar: Both examples come from Jonathan Wilson though...
2 hrs
  -> thanks, I have placed a couple more examples
agree  Benjamin A Flores: http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/2010/09/21/false-nine-tactics/
3 hrs
  -> thanks Benjamin
agree  Thayenga: :)
19 hrs
  -> thanks Thayenga
agree  Altogringo: Because it's a direct quote from Del Bosque in a football-specific context and that's what he would say. If you needed to make the phrase clear to readers, Arrigo's false/fake centre forward would be best IMO.
3 days 8 hrs
  -> I agree Altogringo, thanks
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