Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Latin term or phrase:
Primitiae iuvenis miserae bellique propinqui
English translation:
Vide infra
Latin term
Primitiae iuvenis miserae bellique propinqui
I'm afraid I really can't make anything of this - most grateful for any help.
I'm also not sure how "nulli" hooks on.
Primitiae iuvenis miserae bellique propinqui
dura rudimenta et nulli exaudita deorum
vota precesque meae!
Best wishes,
Simon
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Joseph Brazauskas
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| 5 +2 | O hapless first fruits of thy youth, and hard schooling in war near home. |
Clifford Marcus
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May 26, 2007 10:39: Joseph Brazauskas Created KOG entry
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Proposed translations
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When You Want It Done Right
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
, Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain)
Works in: Latin to English, English to Latin, Greek (Ancient) to English, and 23 more.
Vide infra
The full context is Aeneis, 11.156ff.:
primitiae iuvenis miserae bellique propinqui
dura rudimenta et nulli exaudita deorum
vota precesque meae!
Evander is addressing his slain son, Pallas. 'O' in interjections are often omitted in Latin, as opposed to the Greek practice with vocatives. 'Nulli' is here dative of agent, a construction common in poetry but quite rare in prose.
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Note added at 1 hr (2007-05-25 16:32:54 GMT)
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The dative of personal agent is, however, common in prose constrcutions involving the so-called periphrastic conjugations, although even here 'ab' + the ablative is sometimes employed to avoid ambiguity.
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Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, Italian to English, and 2 more.
O hapless first fruits of thy youth, and hard schooling in war near home.
As per footnote in Aeneid lib XI Macmillan and Co, London 1934
Annotated by Page
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Note added at 16 mins (2007-05-25 15:08:45 GMT)
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nulli, must mean not one of the gods, ie my vows and prayers (vota precesque) are heard (exaudita) to none (nulli) of the gods (deorum).
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Nicholas Ferreira
: Good explanation!
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Joseph Brazauskas
: 'Nulli' is dative of agent.
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Olga Cartlidge
: Here Dativus Auctoris comes very close to Dativus Ethicus and the translation reflects the former anyway.
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