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kálvária

English translation: sad saga / trials and tribulations /sorry tale

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Hungarian term or phrase:kálvária (egy válllalat kálváriája)
English translation:sad saga / trials and tribulations /sorry tale
Entered by: Judit Darnyik

13:56 Sep 6, 2007
Hungarian to English translations [PRO]
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Hungarian term or phrase: kálvária
"Az XY gyár ***kálváriája*** azzal kezdődött, hogy a társaság 2004. nyarán a Z-csoport érdekkörébe került. Az új tulajdonos fokozatosan mintegy egymilliárd forintos kezességvállalással terhelte meg az XY-t, s miután a többi cégük tönkrement, a bankok a követelésüket a társaságon kívánták behajtani. Ráadásul a Z cégeinek milliárdos nagyságrendű ki nem fizetett számlái voltak az XY cég felé. Mindezek együttesen oda vezettek, hogy felszámolási eljárás kezdődött."
A Way of the Cross nem használható nem vallási értelemben, ugye?
Judit Darnyik
Hungary
Local time: 03:17
sad saga
Explanation:
én igy forditanám, egyszerűen the troubles is jó
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denny (X)
Local time: 20:17
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2sad saga
denny (X)
4 +2sorry tale
Elevenít (X)
4 +1tribulations
zsuzsa369 (X)


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5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
sad saga


Explanation:
én igy forditanám, egyszerűen the troubles is jó

denny (X)
Local time: 20:17
Native speaker of: Hungarian
PRO pts in category: 26
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Köszi szépen!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Katalin Horváth McClure: Szerintem ez nagyon jó ide.
5 mins
agree  Sonia Soros
1 hr
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56 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
tribulations


Explanation:
Az eddigi javaslat is jó, ez csupán egy alternatíva.

Táláltam néhány példát, ahol ezt a kifejezést, ami szószerint kálváriát jelent, kifejezetten üzleti szövegkörnyezetben használják.

"He had no knowledge of the company's ***tribulations*** when he made the sale, he said."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2290679.stm

"Despite the company's ***tribulations***, Liemandt's parents declined to provide the start-up with seed money."

http://www.vault.com/nr/main_article_detail.jsp?article_id=1...

"If the touring company's ***tribulations*** were a play, Act I would show the financially strapped company's executive director being told in late 2004 by the federal Education Department that Congress is eliminating a grant program"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DC1F3FF...



zsuzsa369 (X)
Local time: 02:17
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian
PRO pts in category: 4

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agree  Sonia Soros
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20 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
sorry tale


Explanation:
Alternatively "trials and tribulations".

If you want the alliterative effect I'd go with 'sad saga', especially if the business in question starts with and 'S'!

I simply think 'sorry tale' has less of a literary affectation and is more common in plain texts. Google also puts its count as twice more common than 'sad saga'.

As with tribulations, I would be inclined to use "trials and tribulations' as the word on its own is slightly awkward.

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Note added at 20 hrs (2007-09-07 10:47:15 GMT)
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Proz obviously doesn't like google's extended search options!! The examples above have part of the search term abruptly cut off at the end.

More specific examples:
http://www.google.hu/search?hl=hu&client=firefox-a&rls=org.m...

Example sentence(s):
  • This is a sorry tale best told in chronological fashion...
  • Why does God allow us to go through trials and tribulations?

    Reference: http://www.google.hu/search?as_q=&hl=hu&client=firefox-a&rls...
    Reference: http://www.google.hu/search?as_q=&hl=hu&client=firefox-a&rls...
Elevenít (X)
Hungary
Local time: 03:17
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Sonia Soros
2 mins
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agree  juvera
1 day 4 hrs
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