| A témához tartozó oldalak: [1 2] > | Spanish Linguistics question andé o anduve Téma indítója: Lidia Morejudo
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Lidia Morejudo 
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 06:02
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Yes, I know that the RAE tells us that the preterite of andar is irregular anduve, anduviste, etc but in reality many people use the regular forms in day to day conversation, andé, andaste, andó...
In your Spanish variety do people use the regular or the irregular forms?
If more and more people use them, shouldn't they be considered as acceptable forms?
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The one and only right form is 'yo anduve', 'tú anduviste', 'él anduvo', etc. 'Andé and similar conjugations denote a lack of education and are not acceptable.
In reality, the conjugated forms of 'andar' aren't used very often in colloquial spoken Spanish--at least by non-educated adults; I guess that is true because 'andé' sounds weird, and there are other more common options like caminar, ir, etc.
| | | | Juan Jacob
Mexikó
Local time: 23:02
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...nobody [At least in Mexico and other countries I know] uses andé...
Maybe, perhaps, little children, but never heard it.
And I don't think, as you say, that "more and more people are using it."
[Editado a las 2008-04-01 01:12]
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Henry Hinds
Egyesült Államok
Local time: 23:02
angol - spanyol
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Az Ő emlékére:
No, no one talks like that here. But they might say "a lo que te truje Chencha", un dicho un poco anticuado y nadie repara aunque de todos modos tampoco es sobrecorreción.
| | | | Silvina Matheu
Argentína
Local time: 02:02
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angol - spanyol
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| Not down here | Apr 1, 2008 |
Hi, Lidia
No one uses that form of the verb here either, at least not in Argentina.
| | | | | Indeed variations seem to be more commen | Apr 1, 2008 |
Claudia Alvis wrote:
The one and only right form is 'yo anduve', 'tú anduviste', 'él anduvo', etc. 'Andé and similar conjugations denote a lack of education and are not acceptable.
In reality, the conjugated forms of 'andar' aren't used very often in colloquial spoken Spanish--at least by non-educated adults; I guess that is true because 'andé' sounds weird, and there are other more common options like caminar, ir, etc.
It is indeed true, in my context (Spanish from Spain, most often speakers from the centre of Spain, Madrid and its surroundings), I find that often the simple past forms of "andar", either the official ("anduve" or the vulgar "andé") are often avoided and replaced by synonyms and parafrasis.
I think that people would more often say "vinimos andando desde su casa" (we came walking from his house") rather than "anduvimos desde su casa" (we walked from his house").
My impression is also that people will not so often say the wrong forms "andé" or "andó" (unless in a uneducated environment) but I think that the form "andamos" is more often heard.
Daniel
| | | | smvasc
Spanyolország
Local time: 07:02
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Yo vivo en Madrid y utilizamos anduve, anduviste, etc...la otra forma, tal y como se ha comentado anteriormente, denota falta de educacion. (perdona la falta de tildes)
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| the only form is "ande" as subjunctive | Apr 1, 2008 |
As you can see in this link, one the forms used in the subjunctive mode is "ande," e.g. comprate un carro para que no andes a pie.
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No. We always say "anduve", etc. To say "andé", etc. indicates a lack of formal education, but it is unusual even in those cases.
| | | | Jean-Pierre Bergez Saretzki (X)
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 06:02
angol - spanyol
| La forma "andé" en Valencia, España. | Apr 1, 2008 |
En la Comunidad Valenciana (España) es bastante corriente el uso de la forma vulgar e incorrecta "andé, andó...".
| | | | Lidia Morejudo
Egyesült Királyság
Local time: 06:02
angol - spanyol
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TÉMAINDÍTÓ
Siguiendo lo que el compañero de la Comunidad Valenciana ha comentado en Madrid, que es de donde procedo, yo si que oigo usado en conversación normal las formas "regulares".
Estoy de acuerdo en que la variedad "aceptada" es la de anduve, anduvimos, etc. Pero lo de que usar andé, andaste... etc lo usan personas sin educación vale un debate en si mismo. Esta forma por lo menos en Madrid y en Valencia por lo que dice el compañero se está usando en el día a día, y no sólo por personas... See more Siguiendo lo que el compañero de la Comunidad Valenciana ha comentado en Madrid, que es de donde procedo, yo si que oigo usado en conversación normal las formas "regulares".
Estoy de acuerdo en que la variedad "aceptada" es la de anduve, anduvimos, etc. Pero lo de que usar andé, andaste... etc lo usan personas sin educación vale un debate en si mismo. Esta forma por lo menos en Madrid y en Valencia por lo que dice el compañero se está usando en el día a día, y no sólo por personas "sin educación". ¿Podría tratarse de una desviación dialectal? Como por ejemplo el uso de le y la en la zona centro de la península, que es una característica dialectal que se desvía del "estándar". ▲ Collapse
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| Mistakes vary by region | Apr 1, 2008 |
As mentioned above, you will never hear "andé" in Mexico, but it would not be uncommon to hear "anduvistes" in place of "anduviste".
[Edited at 2008-04-01 19:59]
| | | | cisternas
Local time: 01:02
angol - spanyol
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| Neither in Chile | Apr 1, 2008 |
Always "anduve", etc.
Cristina
| | | | | I never heard "andé" | Apr 2, 2008 |
Not even from people who say "haiga" instead of "haya" and other similar colloquialisms.
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