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Glossary entry

Norwegian term or phrase:

branntilløp

English translation:

fire breakout/outbreak of fire

Added to glossary by brigidm
Apr 19, 2010 10:50
14 yrs ago
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Norwegian term

branntilløp

Norwegian to English Law/Patents Human Resources health and safety
Health and safety documentation. I get some hits with "near-miss fire" but not happy with that. What's the actual difference between "brann" and "branntilløp"? The size of the fire and consequent danger to life and property?
Proposed translations (English)
4 fire breakout
4 outbreak of a fire
3 smoulder

Discussion

Charles Ek Apr 19, 2010:
Agreed. I started to draft a response along the same lines but changed my mind and went looking for expert counsel. Let's hope we get some!
brigidm (asker) Apr 19, 2010:
Thanks Charles. But I'm beginning to suspect that this word is used rather loosely, and is further complicated by the fact that you have "branntilløp" and "tilløp til brann", which imply slightly different stages. The best thing is to see it in context and hope that this answers the question: "Was there a fire or wasn't there".
Charles Ek Apr 19, 2010:
Went to a fire source for help I sent an inquiry to the discussion forum run by Feiermesternes Landsforening, at http://www.feiermester.org/replies.asp?ID=3344. I'll forward any responses it generates.

(And yes, the pun above is intentional. ;-) )
brigidm (asker) Apr 19, 2010:
After even more checking, I've got my money on "potential fire" simply because it is the most logical solution in my text. "signs of fire" was a close contender. My brother-in-law is a health and safety inspector in the UK so I've sent an SOS to him.
Per Bergvall Apr 19, 2010:
De avverget ikke branntilløpet - For det skjedde faktisk. Et branntilløp oppsto, og brannen ble avverget fordi den ble hindret fra å inntreffe. Mye flisespikking her - Når det brenner i en plankehaug bak et lager, er plankehaugen utsatt for en brann. For lageret er det bare et branntilløp, inntil også det tar fyr.
brigidm (asker) Apr 19, 2010:
I have to share this definition of "tilløp" in Stor engelsk-norsk ordbok:
" (tegn) sign, hint, suspicion ● det var tilløp til panikk da brannen brøt ut there were signs of panic when the fire broke out "
brigidm (asker) Apr 19, 2010:
The potential....? (sorry, just kidding). But a good point, eodd.
eodd Apr 19, 2010:
If a branntilløp is a fire that never happened, and a branntilløp self-extinguishes, what was extinguished?
brigidm (asker) Apr 19, 2010:
Now we're getting somewhere..! So your understanding of the term is that no fire (defined here by the presence of a flame) has actually broken out, right? Could I call it a "potential fire"?I get some decent hits and to me this makes more sense.
Per Bergvall Apr 19, 2010:
Unable to agree with either... Branntilløp is a term for a fire that never happened - it didn't break out. If it had, it would have been 'en brann'. Many branntilløp self-extinguish, or are put out before flames erupt. Once they do, it's a fire...

Proposed translations

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fire breakout

The difference is the stage of the fire. See the first link for a Norwegian use of "branntilløp" referring to an imminent fire. The second link is the source for the example sentence below.


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Note added at 1 hr (2010-04-19 12:00:30 GMT)
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Another example supporting "fire breakout", at http://www.gd.no/nyheter/article5061745.ece: "Det har vært en branntilløp i gymslane ved asylmottaket i Gausdal. Brannen var slukket av beboerne selv da brannmannskapene kom til stedet."

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Note added at 1 hr (2010-04-19 12:17:46 GMT)
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Like a serial arsonist, I won't stop until someone throws cold water on me. ;-)

Yet another example to support 'fire breakout" or "outbreak of fire", from NRK at http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6518781:

"Politiet i Oslo holder vakt ved Fram-museet etter fire branntilløp ved museet de siste ukene.
. . .
Tirsdag kveld oppdaget en politipatrulje at det brant i en plankehaug i en sidebygning til museet som ligger på Bygdøy i Oslo.
I løpet av de siste fem ukene har det fire ganger vært branntilløp i tre- og bygningsmaterialer stablet opp ved museet."
Example sentence:

"The mechanical cooling and air flow design is something which is more related to the prevention aspect while identifying smoke is something which is related to early detection of a possible fire breakout."

Reference:

http://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/ryfylke/1184179/Beboer_varslet_branntilloep.html

http://tinyurl.com/y57zrlg

Peer comment(s):
neutral Per Bergvall : I think you need to add 'possible' like in your example sentence - for as your reference says, "Takket være en våken beboer ble det ingen brann"...no fire broke out.
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How would you reconcile with "Røykvarsleren inne på toalettet ble aktivert, men kabinpersonalet lokaliserte raskt brannkilden og avverget branntilløpet." at http://tinyurl.com/y24652b ?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks Charles."
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outbreak of a fire

or a fire outbreak

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Note added at 6 hrs (2010-04-19 17:33:37 GMT)
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If it's possible, I think you should check with the author of the document re what they are really trying to express, as there seems to be a degree or ambiguity here. If the translation is UK English, I would use fire outbreak or outbreak of a fire over breakout which seems like US English to me, even though one would say the fire broke out. Breakout denotes "a violent escape, especially by a group, from prison". Source Cambridge English dictionary.
Example sentence:

"Beboer varslet branntilløp Takket være en våken beboer ble det ingen brann i et hus på Jørpeland skjærtorsdag ettermiddag."

Reference:

http://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/ryfylke/1184179/Beboer_varslet_branntilloep.html

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smoulder

"Branntilløp" soundes more like "smoulder" to me. It "burns", but there is little smoke and no flame. You might have to rewrite, but you could perhaps make something out of it. More context would be good. Anyway, just a thought:)
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