Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Indonesian term or phrase:
lampiran lepas
English translation:
loose appendices
Added to glossary by
Catherine Muir
Jul 8, 2011 09:32
12 yrs ago
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Indonesian term
lampiran lepas
Indonesian to English
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Management
daftar isi dalam sebuah laporan
In a Table of Contents to a report, there is a list of attachments headed: DAFTAR LAMPIRAN LEPAS. None of the 12 documents listed is actually attached. Am I correct in thinking that the 'lampiran-lampiran lepas' are documents to be provided under separate cover. Interesting concept: including of list of attachments that are NOT attached!
Proposed translations
(English)
4 | loose appendices | Eddy Wong |
5 | annexes | Wiyanto Suroso |
4 | loose attachment | Vincentius Mariatmo |
4 | unattached appendices | Ian Forbes |
3 | attachable page | Hikmat Gumilar |
3 | external attachments | ErichEko ⟹⭐ |
Proposed translations
3 hrs
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loose appendices
Loose appendices is commonly used.
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2011-07-09 13:20:34 GMT) Post-grading
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Yvw and thank you for my first 4 Kudo points :)
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Note added at 1 day3 hrs (2011-07-09 13:20:34 GMT) Post-grading
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Yvw and thank you for my first 4 Kudo points :)
Example sentence:
Loose appendices are a part of presentation file that you can take out and pass around to audiences.
Note from asker:
Thank you, Eddy. I don't know that the term is 'commonly used', but I did find an authoritative reference at http://ee.old.no/library/pagination.html, so I have used your suggestion. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks."
15 mins
attachable page
seperti kertas merek loose leaf
6 mins
loose attachment
It could be translated into "loose attachment".
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Note added at 9 mins (2011-07-08 09:41:49 GMT)
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Sorry, I forgot to explain the meaning of this "loose attachment" term.
It is basically attachment(s) that didn't strapped into the document (e.g. You can take it out from the document to be viewed separately). This kind of attachment mostly consists of map, or some other document too large to be fit into the document.
Maybe another similar term is "lembaran lepas" or handout.
You can see the sample in this link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/56042985/Daftar-Isi-skripsiku
Hope this explanation helps you a lot :)
Good luck ^^
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Note added at 20 mins (2011-07-08 09:53:09 GMT)
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Yes, you can translate the term above into loose insert(s) too.
In Bahasa Indonesia, we didn't define the term "lampiran" (attachment) as something attached / bound (binded) / strapped / stuck onto another thing.
More likely something that comes with the main object, but not definitely need to be "attached".
You can find the definition in here: (in Bahasa Indonesia)
http://www.artikata.com/arti-369730-lampiran.html
noun
1. sesuatu yg dilampirkan; tambahan pd surat (lamaran, keputusan, dsb);
source: kbbi3
2. lembar tambahan pd surat kabar
source: kbbi3
Lost in translation :)
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Note added at 9 mins (2011-07-08 09:41:49 GMT)
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Sorry, I forgot to explain the meaning of this "loose attachment" term.
It is basically attachment(s) that didn't strapped into the document (e.g. You can take it out from the document to be viewed separately). This kind of attachment mostly consists of map, or some other document too large to be fit into the document.
Maybe another similar term is "lembaran lepas" or handout.
You can see the sample in this link:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/56042985/Daftar-Isi-skripsiku
Hope this explanation helps you a lot :)
Good luck ^^
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Note added at 20 mins (2011-07-08 09:53:09 GMT)
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Yes, you can translate the term above into loose insert(s) too.
In Bahasa Indonesia, we didn't define the term "lampiran" (attachment) as something attached / bound (binded) / strapped / stuck onto another thing.
More likely something that comes with the main object, but not definitely need to be "attached".
You can find the definition in here: (in Bahasa Indonesia)
http://www.artikata.com/arti-369730-lampiran.html
noun
1. sesuatu yg dilampirkan; tambahan pd surat (lamaran, keputusan, dsb);
source: kbbi3
2. lembar tambahan pd surat kabar
source: kbbi3
Lost in translation :)
Note from asker:
What a strange concept: an attachment that is not attached. More like a 'sisipan lepas' (loose insert) than a 'lampiran'. Thanks Vincentius. |
52 mins
external attachments
The attachment could be part of other document; it is simply impossible to include it without attaching its parent document.
Another case is when the attachment is large, or even larger than the document to which it has to be attached.
Why it is called lampiran lepas? One good reason is when the main document clearly claims that the attachment(s) are to be considered as integral and inseparable part. Legalese stuff.
In electronic document, the concept of external attachment is easily implemented through linking and addressing.
2 hrs
annexes
You are correct that "lampiran lepas" have separate covers. "Lampiran lepas" are "annexes". It is common in consulting services to produce reports plus annexes.
An appendix is a part of a document that doesn't really have a place within the body or is an operational tool that is referenced in the document an appendix and should not be able to stand alone. If it is you should consider including it directly into the document. An annex is another document all together (often called stand alone) but has direct relevance to your document.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_app...
An appendix is a part of a document that doesn't really have a place within the body or is an operational tool that is referenced in the document an appendix and should not be able to stand alone. If it is you should consider including it directly into the document. An annex is another document all together (often called stand alone) but has direct relevance to your document.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_app...
Note from asker:
Great explanation! I've used your suggestion and, unless, a better one comes along, will select your answer as most helpful. |
After reading the wiki.answers you referenced, there seems to be differences of opinion. I have decided to use another suggestion. However, I am very grateful for your help. |
2 hrs
unattached appendices
This would get round the problem of unattached attachments :)
Note from asker:
Thanks, Ian. It occurred to me that these things are like the brochures, maps etc that get tucked into the front pocket of conference loose-leaf binders; not part of the official 'stuff' but included separately. I still love the idea of 'an unattached attachment'; very Monty Python. |
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