magyar - angol fordítások [PRO] Költészet és irodalom
magyar szó/kifejezés:betűkódokkal nyitható henger
Tulajdonképpen az igazi kérdés a "henger": ez a Da Vinci kód c. könyvben a criptex - nincs valakinek egy angol nyelvű példánya, hogy ezt ott hogyan mondják? Roll vagy cylinder vagy...? Mert emlékezetem szerint ez egy belül üreges henger, azt mintha másképp mondanák, mint a mértani testet.
A kontextus nem igazán segít, ez csak hivatkozás arra, hogy XY üzenete úgy hangzott, mint egy "dupla criptex".
Magyarázat: Ha jól értem, meg kell magyarázni a szövegedben, hogy mi a cryptex. Ha nem kell magyarázat, akkor a "cryptex" megfelelő, mert ez a neve angolul.
Ha mégis magyarázat kell, akkor a legegyszerűbb, köznapi nyelven érthető szerintem ez:
cylindrical box (or container) with a combination lock
Angol nyelvű magyarázatok:
* The keystone is actually a cryptex, a cylindrical device invented by Leonardo Da Vinci for transporting secure messages. In order to open it, the combination of rotating components must be arranged in the correct order. If forced open, an enclosed vial of vinegar will rupture and dissolve the message, which was written on papyrus. The rosewood box containing the cryptex contains clues to the combination of the cryptex, written in backwards script in the same manner as Leonardo's journals. While fleeing to England aboard Teabing's plane, Langdon solves the riddle and finds the combination to be "S-O-F-I-A", the ancient (and modern) Greek form of Sophie's name, also meaning wisdom.
Newton's grave in Westminster Abbey
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Newton's grave in Westminster Abbey
* The keystone cryptex actually contains a second smaller cryptex with a second riddle that reveals its combination. The riddle, which says to seek the orb that should be on the tomb of "a knight a pope interred", refers not to a medieval knight, but rather to the tomb of Sir Isaac Newton, who was buried in Westminster Abbey, and was eulogized by Alexander Pope (A. Pope). The orb refers to the apple observed by Newton which led to his discovery of the Law of universal gravitation and thus, the combination to the second cryptex is "A-P-P-L-E".
Da Vinci invented something very similar called a cryptex - cryptology for hiding a codex. A long cylinder, with rotating discs, rather like a combination lock cycle chain, or the locks found on cases. You place the document inside, spin the discs, and the cryptex can only be opened by the person who knows the combination. The cryptex is made of marble and brass, inside too, a small phial of vinegar. The document is written on paper-thin papyrus. Any attempt to tamper with the cryptex, or smash it to extract the document, and the document will be turned into a mushy pulp.
"A közelmúlt bestsellere óta köztudott, hogy ez nem más, mint egy betűkódokkal nyitható henger."
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cylindrical box with a combination lock
Magyarázat: Ha jól értem, meg kell magyarázni a szövegedben, hogy mi a cryptex. Ha nem kell magyarázat, akkor a "cryptex" megfelelő, mert ez a neve angolul.
Ha mégis magyarázat kell, akkor a legegyszerűbb, köznapi nyelven érthető szerintem ez:
cylindrical box (or container) with a combination lock
Angol nyelvű magyarázatok:
* The keystone is actually a cryptex, a cylindrical device invented by Leonardo Da Vinci for transporting secure messages. In order to open it, the combination of rotating components must be arranged in the correct order. If forced open, an enclosed vial of vinegar will rupture and dissolve the message, which was written on papyrus. The rosewood box containing the cryptex contains clues to the combination of the cryptex, written in backwards script in the same manner as Leonardo's journals. While fleeing to England aboard Teabing's plane, Langdon solves the riddle and finds the combination to be "S-O-F-I-A", the ancient (and modern) Greek form of Sophie's name, also meaning wisdom.
Newton's grave in Westminster Abbey
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Newton's grave in Westminster Abbey
* The keystone cryptex actually contains a second smaller cryptex with a second riddle that reveals its combination. The riddle, which says to seek the orb that should be on the tomb of "a knight a pope interred", refers not to a medieval knight, but rather to the tomb of Sir Isaac Newton, who was buried in Westminster Abbey, and was eulogized by Alexander Pope (A. Pope). The orb refers to the apple observed by Newton which led to his discovery of the Law of universal gravitation and thus, the combination to the second cryptex is "A-P-P-L-E".
Da Vinci invented something very similar called a cryptex - cryptology for hiding a codex. A long cylinder, with rotating discs, rather like a combination lock cycle chain, or the locks found on cases. You place the document inside, spin the discs, and the cryptex can only be opened by the person who knows the combination. The cryptex is made of marble and brass, inside too, a small phial of vinegar. The document is written on paper-thin papyrus. Any attempt to tamper with the cryptex, or smash it to extract the document, and the document will be turned into a mushy pulp.
Katalin Horvath McClure Egyesült Államok Local time: 15:58 Anyanyelve: magyar PRO pontok száma e kategóriában: 16
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köszönöm szépen: ez a cylindrical box sose jutott volna eszembe :)
12 perc Magabiztossági szint:
cryptex
Magyarázat: Ha már vásároltál könyvet az amazonon, akkor az összes "Search Inside" opcióval ellátott könyvben tudsz keresni. A Da Vinci Code is ilyen. Itt beírod a keresőablakba a cryptex szót, és kapsz jó néhány találatot. Pl:
1. on Page 198:
"... diffuse light, Sophie could see Langdon's surprise. "Da Vinci?" he muttered, looking again at the canister. "Yes. It's called a cryptex. According to my grandfather, the blueprints come from one of Da Vinci's secret diaries." "What is it for?" Considering tonight's ..."
2. on Page 199:
"... T H E D A V I N C I C 0 D E 199 timepieces, water pumps, cryptexes, and even a fully articulated model of a medieval French knight, which now stood proudly on the desk in his ..."
3. on Page 200:
"... secrets with an ingeniously conceived polyalphabetic substitution cipher. Da Vinci, however, eschewed mathematics and cryptology for a mechanical solution. The cryptex. A portable container that could safeguard letters, maps, diagrams, anything at all. Once information was sealed inside the cryptex, only ..."
4. on Page 201:
"... those days, but it had to be papyrus. The thinner the better." "Okay." "Before the papyrus was inserted into the cryptex's compartment, it was rolled around a delicate glass vial." She tipped the cryptex, and the liquid inside gurgled. "A vial ..."
5. on Page 202:
"... his face. "It can't be." "What?" Langdon slowly raised his eyes. "Under the sign of the Rose," he whispered. "This cryptex ... I think I know what it is." ..."
6. on Page 203:
"... we call it a keystone." Langdon watched her eyes for any spark of recognition. Sophie shrugged, glancing down at the cryptex. "But this obviously is not a keystone." Langdon didn't know where to begin. Keystones as a masonry technique for building ..."
7. on Page 204:
"... only logical conclusion he could muster. An encrypted stone, hidden beneath the sign of the Rose. The idea that the cryptex had been designed by Leonardo da Vinci-former Grand Master of the Priory of Sion-shone as another tantalizing indicator that this ..."
8. on Page 207:
"... to a crawl and made its way over unexpectedly rough terrain. Sophie shot Langdon an uneasy look, hastily closing the cryptex box and latching it. Langdon slipped his jacket back on. When the truck came to a stop, the engine remained ..."
9. on Page 215:
"... out of sight into the woods, wondering where they should go next. They had no idea how to open the cryptex, or why Saunière had given it to them. Unfortunately, their survival tonight seemed to depend on getting answers to those ..."
10. on Page 218:
"... its true nature hidden." "Sounds to me like a conflict of interest." Langdon understood her concerns. Saunière had given the cryptex directly to Sophie, and although she didn't know what it contained or what she was supposed to do with it, ..."
Attila Piróth Franciaország Local time: 21:58 Anyanyelve: magyar PRO pontok száma e kategóriában: 8
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Kérdező: kösz, a cryptex világos volt, én a hengeren akadtam meg. De kösz a tippet, hogy az amazon kereshetővé válik, ha már kuncsaft vagyok (még nem vagyok, de ezek után megfontolandó!)
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